Our Kids Play Hockey
Our Kids Play Hockey is a podcast that focuses on youth hockey, offering insights, stories, and interviews from the hockey community. It provides valuable advice for parents, coaches, and players, covering various aspects of the game, including skill development, sportsmanship, teamwork, and creating a positive experience for young athletes. The show frequently features guests who share their expertise and personal experiences in youth hockey, both on and off the ice.
The show features three hockey parents, who all work in the game at high levels:
- Christie Casciano-Burns - USA Hockey Columnist, Author, and WSYR Anchor
- Mike Bonelli - USA Hockey Coach and Organizational Consultant
- Lee M.J. Elias - Hockey Entrepreneur, Author, and Team Strategist
In addition to the main podcast, there are several spin-off series that dive into specific aspects of youth hockey:
1.Our Girls Play Hockey – This series highlights the growing presence of girls in hockey, addressing the unique challenges they face while celebrating their accomplishments and contributions to the sport. Each episode of Our Girls Play Hockey is also hosted by Sheri Hudspeth who is the Director, Youth Hockey Programs and Fan Development for the Vegas Golden Knights.
2.The Ride to The Rink – A shorter, motivational series designed to be listened to on the way to the rink, offering quick, inspirational tips and advice to help players and parents get into the right mindset before a game or practice.
3.Our Kids Play Goalie – This series is dedicated to young goalies and the unique challenges they face. It provides advice for players, parents, and coaches on how to support and develop young goaltenders, focusing on the mental and physical demands of the position.
Together, these shows provide a comprehensive platform for parents, players, and coaches involved in youth hockey, offering insights for all aspects of the sport, from parenting, playing, or coaching to specialized positions like goaltending.
Our Kids Play Hockey
The Ride To The Rink - Cassie Campbell-Pascall's Guide to Overcoming Criticism in Youth and Minor Hockey
Ever wondered how successful individuals handle criticism and stay grounded?
Cassie Campbell-Pascall shares her insights on managing criticism, emphasizing that it often accompanies success and the challenge of breaking norms. She advises considering the source of criticism and using it as motivation to prove naysayers wrong. Cassie also discusses her method of maintaining perspective by surrounding herself with reminders of life's challenges and accomplishments, helping her stay grounded when facing criticism.
The conversation highlights the importance of resilience and a growth mindset, encouraging listeners to view criticism as motivation to improve and achieve their goals. Cassie emphasizes the value of having a strong support system of family and friends who keep her grounded and help her navigate criticism.
The team also discusses the importance of understanding that emotions, both positive and negative, are temporary, encouraging young listeners to develop resilience in facing challenges.
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Key Discussion Points
- Handling Criticism with Success
- Maintaining Perspective
- Embracing a Growth Mindset
- Building a Strong Support System
- Understanding Emotions and Resilience
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Lee MJ Elias [0:08 - 0:43]: Hello, hockey skaters and goalies around the world. And welcome back to another edition of the Ride to the Rink. We have a legend with us today. Cassie Campbell Pascal is here. Gold medalist, Order of Canada, worked on Hockey Night in Canada, works on espn. She is all over the place in the game. And Cassie, in your roles throughout your life, I'm sure that criticism, naysayers, people saying mean stuff to you has been along the entire ride. So what I want you to speak about today to the children listening on the right of the rink is just how to deal with naysayers, how to deal with that, to not listen to the noise. You are the expert, my friend.
Cassie Campbell [0:44 - 2:42]: Yeah, I guess I am kind of the expert in a. In a weird kind of way. You know, it's interesting. I, I have a saying in my office. I'm sitting in my office at home here in Calgary, Alberta, and it says, if you don't want to be criticized, say nothing, do nothing and be nothing. And this actually comes from the Philadelphia flyers in the 1970s when they were often criticized for the way they played. And I read it in a hockey book and I framed it and it's the truth, you know, like, you can go through life and just do the normal, regular thing, and that's no problem. I have so much respect for that. But if you want to of change the world and be successful and do things maybe a little differently than everybody else, then you're going to get criticized. And that's just the nature of the beast. And, you know, especially when things aren't the norm, like women's hockey wasn't the norm for so long. You know, being a female broadcaster on an NHL hockey game wasn't the norm for so long. And so criticism kind of comes with the territory. But I think criticism too also comes from people who are afraid of change, you know, and so you have to look at where the criticism is coming from and where the naysaying is coming from, and do you value that individual in your life or not? And it's also important, I think, to take criticism, too, to learn from it, to grow from it, because I think that's important to being an elite level athlete, to being an elite level, you know, doctor or teacher or whatever it is that you want to be taking. Criticism is a really important thing. So, but that's sort of my, the way I approach it, when people say I can't do something, I usually try to turn around and prove them wrong. That's sort of the attitude that I have. And just to keep great people around you and great people that support you around you and use them and lean on them, and it's okay to not to be okay sometimes. And, you know, I think those are important things.
Lee MJ Elias [2:42 - 3:27]: Yeah, I'm going to pull the throne this a little bit, too, because I love your answer. And this is going to be kind of two questions molded into one. You've been a captain of Team Canada, first woman on Hockey Night in Canada. As we said, special advisor to the pwhl. The more roles you have and the larger they get, invite more and more criticism. Right. No matter what anyone has accomplished, it seems like the. The higher you go, the more it comes. So I would love for you to explain to the kids listening your methodology. Mentally. You talked about that sometimes it's okay not to be okay. How do you compartmentalize what you see? If you see it right, and then what do you do to not see it? What do you do to push that away and just say, I don't need to even look at this?
Cassie Campbell [3:28 - 4:06]: Well, I think, you know, it's funny, my home office, I have all these little, like, messages, hidden messages around. And so this is a place where I often come back to and sort of reflect and regroup, if you will. When I see something negative on social media, I think the initial reaction is, oh, you know, you could get defensive and be like, oh, you know, or you can kind of laugh and look at where it's coming from. And also, you know, did I say that on the broadcast? Like, did I mess up? Like, you know, you know, also you can look at it as real criticism. Is there value to it?
Lee MJ Elias [4:06 - 4:06]: Right.
Cassie Campbell [4:06 - 5:58]: Nine out of ten times, there's no value to it, you know, based on where it's coming from. But, you know, for me, in my home office, picture of a girl that I worked with, who, Ronald McDonald House, that unfortunately lost her life of cancer. And it reminds me of life isn't that bad, you know, and she was such an amazing little kid. Her name was Madison and she was so good to the people around her. And so she's that reminder for me. And then I have another picture of my kid and she's climbing the monkey bars. She finally made it all the way across in grade one. And so I remember her in kindergarten, trying and trying. She couldn't get across. Couldn't get across. And then finally she gets across in. In grade one. And the smile on her face, like, I remember it as if it was yesterday. And she's in grade nine and I have that picture of. It's not going to Be easy. It's not. Everything's not going to go smoothly. Everything, you know, you're going to fall. You're going to have adversity. So those are sort of my subtle little reminders. And then I also have little pictures of things that I've been able to accomplish. And so that kind of reminds me, like, I'm not so bad after all, you know, but my family and my friends are. Most of my mom friends had no idea who I was before I met them, you know, and so they. They keep me grounded. And my husband's the same. Like, we get to. He gets it from the flames, perspective and the criticism. And so we bounce things off each other and. But, you know, I think perspective is really key. Where is it coming from? Who is it coming from? And then motivation, you know, some of these things, you know, people say you can't do something, you get motivation from it, too. And, you know, I think that's important to understand is to like, okay, you think I can't do this? Well, you know, yes, I can. And I think those are two key things for me when I, when I face criticism is the perspective from it and also the motivation I get from it.
Lee MJ Elias [5:58 - 6:15]: No, I love it, too. And for the kids that are listening, we all know here that, you know, feelings are tough when you're a kid, Right. They can seem overwhelming at times. And I think, as. Cassie, if you want to comment on this, too, you know, as we get older, you start to realize that no feeling, whether it's good or bad, lasts forever.
Cassie Campbell [6:16 - 6:16]: Right?
Lee MJ Elias [6:16 - 6:52]: It's just an emotion. Right. And then. And really, we could equate that to winning a gold medal to other things. Right. It's a moment. And I love the practical advice for the kids, Right. Surround yourself with positive things or the people that are going to make you feel good. And also that resilience of you. Oh, don't tell me what I can't do. Right? That's a. That's a growth mindset, Right? That's the type of thinking that you want to have. So, Cassie, just tremendous advice to the kids listening. I want to thank you for being here again and obviously love everything you've done so far. Can't wait to see what you do next.
Cassie Campbell [6:52 - 6:55]: Yeah. I appreciate you all, so thank you so much.
Lee MJ Elias [6:55 - 7:17]: All right, that's going to do it for this edition of the Ride to the Rink. Kids, thanks so much for listening. Remember, if you have a question you'd like us to answer or you'd like us to ask a guest, you can text it to us. There's a link in the show notes accompanying this episode. You can also email us if you want to through your parents team at our Kids Play Hockey dot com, but that's going to do it for this edition of the Ride Rink. We'll see you next time. Remember, kids, we believe in you. You should too. Have fun. Skate.
